Make Diamond Armor Less OP

[Shogunater]

@Kihanstence

The problem is that diamond is just annoying to deal with, even if it may be a fair fight. It takes way too many hits to kill a player in diamond,

You know swords and armor aren’t the only items in the game, right? Lure them onto a bridge and knock them off, use dories, get creative.

@Kihanstence

And if combined with ender pearls, you could end up chasing someone for ten minutes across the map while they just eat golden apples and pearl away.

Somebody with chain mail armor could do that too.

@Kihanstence

In your average game, no one will have time to get dories. One single hit with a dory costs six emeralds, which is a big price just to have the other play easily ender pearl clutch

70% of players can’t do a one block clutch my guy. Only above average players can pull those clutches off. Also, it’s not like diamond armor is so much cheaper than dories. 2 ems and 28 diamond difference.

@Kihanstence

Diamond armour needs to be a late game item.

It is. If you’re side rushing everybody in 5 minutes it won’t ever appear. For everybody else, don’t let people camp diamond gens and mid.

@Kihanstence

all know that diamond armour is not the same on Hive as in vanilla Minecraft, at least those of us who are experienced. And if you don’t believe me, I prove it by going on a vanilla Minecraft

So you debunked your own test before explaining it?

@Kihanstence

If you don’t believe me, just repeat the tests I did.

If you were lying you would lose all your credibility on this topic so there’s no reason for me to think you’d be lying. Unless, of course, you brought this up BECAUSE YOU ARE A LIAR (Sarcasm).

@Kihanstence

lowers the protection of diamond armour,

Fantastic idea. Let’s add iron armor to do that. Seriously though, the point of diamond armor is that your a tank that can combat sweats. Lowering it’s protection would defeat the point of getting it.

@Kihanstence

To the contrary, as it is now, it takes one trip to get the necessary four emeralds to get diamond.

You know that applies to people not rushing diamond armor as well, right?

[Captbossalf]

A price increase to something like 16 Ems - 16 Diamonds would be nice. I think it’s far too easy to get too quickly right now, simple price changes would help alot.

[NotYoshi2]

1. But what if they are camping
2. But in chain, if you catch up you can kill them in a couple hits.
3. Fair
4. No is is not, you only need FOUR ems, it takes like 3 minutes
5. What do you mean?
6. He isn’t lying diamond armor is 100 time more OP on Hive
7. It doesn’t need much nerf, just allow diamond swords to damage more that stone ones
8. What do you mean by that?

[Kihanstence]

@Shogunater

• S/he contradicts themself by saying vanilla combat isn’t the same as Hive’s and proceeds to test it on vanilla to prove some point?

It’s he

I didn’t contradict myself. I started by saying vanilla and Hive diamond armour is different, then I proceeded to explain the tests I’ve done and anyone else can do to prove that.

@NotYoshi2

Yeah they didn’t use grammer there but there point got across

My bad, I’ll try to word it better next time.

@NotYoshi2

16 ems 16 diamonds

@NotYoshi2

diamond swords doing more dammage to diamond armor that stone.

Yes, please Hive, I want this. I personally would make it even more expensive, but that price is good enough for me.

[PterryD]

Doesn’t anyone think this discussion has gone too far I mean diamond armors nice the way it is but I mean you could change it. This has 49 replies

[Shogunater]

I find it fun to debate, or I wouldn’t be going back and forth repeatedly pushing this topic to the top allowing more people to see it and potentially disagree with me and/or vote for it. That’s not your decision to make either, it’s the staff’s.

[Kihanstence]

@Shogunater

I find it fun to debate, or I wouldn’t be going back and forth repeatedly pushing this topic

I completely agree. Until SOMEONE whose name might start with an S won’t listen to basic logic. I’m kidding. I’m kidding no; offense intended lol

There was that one topic with hundreds of replies.

[NotYoshi2]

Yeah, I don’t know what the topic said by now, let me check…

[Kihanstence]

This may be too much to ask for, but what if Hive were to change all the armour to have the same protection as in vanilla Minecraft. This would mean that if one were to be in full diamond it would take thirteen hits to kill them with a stone word, eleven hits with an iron sword, and nine hits with a diamond sword.
This means the price for diamond armour could be the same or less than it is, since this change would half the protection of diamond armour. Then Hive could add protection as an armour enchantment for late game.

I already know my suggestion is going to get a ton of hate, but I think it would be a great change to the armour system.

[NotYoshi2]

What is it rn for iron

[Kihanstence]

Vanilla is seven hits from stone sword, six from iron sword, and five from diamond will kill full iron armour player, without critical hits or regeneration.

On Hive, it takes ten hits with a stone sword, ten hits with iron sword, and seven with diamond sword, without taken regeneration into account. Meaning every hit with a stone or iron sword does one heart and diamond swords do one and a half to full iron armour. For the sake of completing I also tested a wooden sword, and I found the wooden sword does half a heart to a full iron player. It also does half a heart to a full diamond player, which is the same as the other three swords in the game.

[NotYoshi2]

I think the Hive and Vanilla ones are scuffed, we need a whole rework.

[Kihanstence]

I agree. Both iron and diamond pickaxes, the axe, and all four swords in the game do the same damage to a diamond clad player, and that makes no sense. And just because I like to be organised I can put them all down below. This is how the armour systems currently are:

Vanilla Minecraft

Chain mail armour

Wooden Sword: Seven hits
Stone Sword: Six hits
Iron Sword: Five hits
Diamond Sword: Four hits

Iron armour

Wooden Sword: Eight hits
Stone Sword: Seven hits
Iron Sword: Six hits
Diamond Sword: Five hits

Diamond armour

Wooden Sword: Sixteen hits
Stone Sword: Thirteen hits
Iron Sword: Eleven hits
Diamond Sword: Nine hits

Hive Minecraft

Chain mail armour

Wooden Sword: 2 HP (Ten hits)
Stone Sword: 3 HP (Seven hits)
Iron Sword: 3 HP (Seven hits)
Diamond Sword: 4 HP (Five hits)

Iron armour

Wooden Sword: 1 HP (Twenty hits)
Stone Sword: 2 HP (Ten hits)
Iron Sword: 2 HP (Ten hits)
Diamond Sword: 3 HP (Seven hits)

Diamond armour

Wooden Sword: 1 HP (Twenty hits)
Stone Sword: 1 HP (Twenty hits)
Iron Sword: 1 HP (Twenty hits)
Diamond Sword: 1 HP (Twenty hits)

Remember this doesn’t count Regeneration

I don’t know why I did all the effort to do that, but I hope this helps clear up confusion. As you can see the Hive armour system makes way less sense than the vanilla Minecraft system. Feel free to correct anything I may have done wrong.

[TitanStoltz]

Okkk mmmmmmmm it’s fine how it is!

[Kihanstence]

As it currently is, diamond and wooden swords do the same damage to diamond clad players. This just doesn’t make any sense to me.

[TitanStoltz]

Odd I do agree.

[MichaelAwesome6]

I think upping the price would work. The main problem in my opinion is that people can get diamond armor in less than 5 minutes if they steal diamonds from the generators around the map fast enough, which basically makes them unstoppable one on one. I also notice that it feels like I’m dealing no damage sometimes to someone with full diamond when they eat 1 golden apple, even if I have a diamond sword.

[Kihanstence]

This is exactly what I’ve been saying the entire time. Diamond armour desperately needs to be changed.

[Fetomax]

Then why don’t you do this yourself? Learn a good bridging technique and that’s it.

[Kihanstence]

You somehow managed to miss the point entirely.